And in Croatian from the bishops conference. YES!!!!!!
Katolička tiskovna agencija
Biskupske konferencije Bosne i Hercegovine
Kaptol 32, 71000 Sarajevo, Bosna i Hercegovina
tel/fax: + 387 33 66 68 65
e-mail: ktabih@bih.net.ba
http://www.ktabkbih.net
Mostar, 18.06.2007 (KTA)
PRIOPĆENJE ZA JAVNOST
Po nalogu mjesnoga biskupa mons. Ratka Perića iz kancelarije Biskupskoga ordinarijata Mostar upućeno je Priopćenje koje je potpisao generalni vikar, msgr. Srećko Majić. Priopćenje prenosimo u cijelosti:
O. RANIERO CANTALAMESSA, O.F.M. CAP. NE PREDVODI DUHOVNE VJEŽBE U MEĐUGORJU
Da se ne bi ponavljale zloporabe iz prethodnoga razdoblja, već skoro šest godina na snazi je odluka Biskupskog ordinarijata u Mostaru, dostavljena svim župnim uredima i redovničkim zajednicama okružnicom, od 23. kolovoza 2001., kojom je, između ostaloga, određeno: „3. - Župni uredi i redovničke ustanove dužni su na ovaj Ordinarijat pravovremeno dostaviti imena ostalih inozemnih svećenika i biskupa, izvan hrvatskoga jezičnog područja, a pozvani su da drže duhovne vježbe, duhovne seminare i slične duhovne susrete, na kojima se propovijeda i tumači Riječ Božja. Zajedno s imenima i molbom dostavit će se i kopija celebreta dotičnoga inozemnog svećenika ili biskupa, koji će, nakon napismeno danog odobrenja ovog Ordinarijata, moći voditi takva duhovna vježbanja“ (VIJESTI Katoličke tiskovne agencije Biskupske konferencije BiH, 5. rujna 2001., str. 30-31; Glas Koncila, 9. rujna 2001., str. 2).
Čak su i biskupi, članovi Hrvatske biskupske konferencije, na svome zasjedanju u Splitu u listopadu 2005. godine odlučili, a potom i biskupi Biskupske konferencije Bosne i Hercegovine u Sarajevu istoga mjeseca donijeli odluku: da se biskupi na području dviju Biskupskih konferencija ne odazivaju pojedinim župnicima u drugim biskupijama bez izričita nihil obstat-a mjesnoga biskupa.
Unatoč odredbi koja je spomenuta, vijest o duhovnim vježbama, koje bi svećenicima u Međugorju držao početkom srpnja 2007. godine fra Raniero Cantalamessa, kapucin, propovjednik Papinskoga doma, pojavila se na internetu prije više mjeseci a da organizatori tih duhovnih vježba nisu propisno niti obavijestili Biskupski ordinarijat u Mostaru. U tom su kontekstu zakazana i ispovijedanja, gdje je zajedno s o. Cantalamessom, kao voditelj križnoga puta najavljen i fra Jozo Zovko, iako je on od 2004. godine lišen vršenja svećeničkih čina na području hercegovačkih biskupija (Vrhbosna, 3/2004., str. 293-298).
Pastoralnu odluku od 23. kolovoza 2001. o duhovnim voditeljima i vježbama posebno je potvrdio i izričito naglasio mostarsko-duvanjski biskup mons. dr. Ratko Perić u svojoj poruci i pozivu na Izbornom kapitulu Hercegovačke franjevačke provincije, 16. travnja ove godine na Humcu, kamo je službeno pozvan predvoditi sv. Misu. U tom svom govoru, s obzirom na Međugorje, dijecezanski je biskup rekao:
„1 - Izraz je puke pastoralne samovolje samih župnika i drugih međugorskih djelatnika da na portalu 'Medjugorje' figurira 'Gospino svetište'. To nije ni dijecezansko, ni nacionalno, ni međunarodno svetište. I toga se treba držati dok stvari ovako stoje.
2 - Izraz je puke samovolje samih župnika i drugih međugorskih djelatnika da se ne poštuje Okružnica Ordinarijata iz 2001. godine da se u Međugorje ne pozivaju svećenici izvan hrvatskoga naroda bez izričito i napismeno dana odobrenja Biskupskog ordinarijata.
3 - Izraz je puke samovolje samih župnika i drugih pastoralnih međugorskih djelatnika da se član Vaše provincije, fra Jozo Zovko, koji nema nikakvih pastoralnih ovlasti, čak je lišen vršenja bilo kojega svećeničkog čina u ovoj biskupiji, poziva, kao ove godine, da vodi Križni put u Međugorju, i to uokvirujući ga u naznaku mogućnosti ispovijedanja.“
Taj je govor u cijelosti objavljen u hercegovačkom biskupijskom mjesečniku (Crkva na kamenu, 5/2007., str. 33-35).
Nakon više dopisa razmijenjenih u posljednje vrijeme između Biskupskog ordinarijata i Župnog ureda u Međugorju, međugorski je župnik, dr. fra Ivan Sesar, javio biskupu Periću pismom 13. lipnja 2007.: „Na moje izričito traženje zbog kratkoće vremena zamolio sam P. Cantalamessu da mi svoju potvrdu primitka pisma pošalje putem faksa što je on i učinio u međuvremenu. On uvažava moju ispriku i žali što zbog novonastalog stanja ne može doći jer načelno nigdje ne nastupa bez dopuštenja mjesnoga ordinarija."
Biskup Perić i o. Cantalamessa razmijenili su pisma 13. lipnja. O. Cantalamessa obavijestio je biskupa da je poslao pismo župniku Sesaru 8. lipnja. On biskupu piše u pismu 13. lipnja: „Moje je pravilo ne propovijedati, osobito kleru, bez odobrenja mjesnoga biskupa."
Biskupski ordinarijat u Mostaru nije nikada ni s jedne strane primio nikakav dopis kojim se traži odobrenje s obzirom na spomenute duhovne vježbe i njihova voditelja.
Dok ovo priopćuje, Biskupski ordinarijat ima u vidu činjenicu da u ovom slučaju nisu poštovane odredbe Zakonika kanonskoga prava koji za svećenike i đakone određuje potrebu izričite dozvole za propovijedanje, ako se ona traži krajevnim zakonom, kao i obdržavanje odredaba koje donese dijecezanski biskup. A Ordinarijat posebno smatra potrebnim ovo priopćiti katoličkoj javnosti zato da se izbjegnu povodi krivim tumačenjima i dvoznačnostima, kao što već rezultira u pojedinim komentarima na internetskim stranicama, s obzirom na Međugorje kao mjesto navodnih ukazanja za koja vrijedi crkveno pravilo: „da se ne može ustvrditi da se radi o nadnaravnim ukazanjima i objavama“. (kta)
Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa
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Praise God that Fr. Cantalamessa has been granted the wisdom to accept this.
When I read the Bishop's letter, I thought to myself how bad the situation must be in his Diocese. No one even told Fr. Cantalamessa that this ban had been in effect for SIX YEARS. That goes to show you how much people disregard their Bishop in favor of these FALSE apparitions.
-KJS
When I read the Bishop's letter, I thought to myself how bad the situation must be in his Diocese. No one even told Fr. Cantalamessa that this ban had been in effect for SIX YEARS. That goes to show you how much people disregard their Bishop in favor of these FALSE apparitions.
-KJS
the Medj. promoters think that if they can get "brand" names to come to Medj. then that gives them clout. This time their "brand" name was obedient and not disobedient. Good for him! I think all this says quite a bit about the bishop's decision concerning this hoax.
I prayed to the Immaculate Heart on her memorial, that something would be done and she heard the prayers.Of course I always petition Our Lady, especially in these cases.
Denise
Denise
I prayed to the Immaculate Heart on her memorial, that something would be done and she heard the prayers.Of course I always petition Our Lady, especially in these cases.
Denise
Denise
Devotion to the souls in Purgatory contains in itself all the works of mercy, which supernaturalized by a spirit of faith, should merit us Heaven. de Sales
thanks kev...i received this from rick also.
phewwwwwwww
by the way...the apostolic nuncio to australia's office was contacted about this concern as soon as news came out about this. i suspect they have forwarded the enquiry about this to Rome
blessings
marie
phewwwwwwww
by the way...the apostolic nuncio to australia's office was contacted about this concern as soon as news came out about this. i suspect they have forwarded the enquiry about this to Rome
blessings
marie
"He who followeth Me, walketh not in darkness." sayeth the Lord
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Papal preacher won't lecture in Medjugorje after bishop nixes plan
By Catholic News Service
MOSTAR, Bosnia-Herzegovina (CNS) -- The preacher of the papal household has withdrawn from plans to deliver a series of lectures in Medjugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovina, after the local bishop denied him permission to speak there.
Capuchin Father Raniero Cantalamessa, who has been the pope's preacher since 1980, was to be the keynote speaker at the 12th International Seminar for Priests July 3-5 in Medjugorje, the site of thousands of alleged appearances of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
He was expected to have given three lectures at the event, titled "With Mary, in Anticipation of the Holy Spirit," but he pulled out after Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar-Duvno, whose diocese covers Medjugorje, informed him that he did not have his permission to attend the event.
"My principle is not to preach, especially not to the clergy, without the permission of the local bishop," Father Cantalamessa wrote in a letter to Bishop Peric June 13. Excerpts of the letter were released by the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno June 18.
Father Cantalamessa is a well-known figure in the Vatican, and every Friday during Lent and Advent he preaches meditations in the presence of the pope, cardinals, bishops and the superiors of religious orders.
Father Cantalamessa's decision to withdraw from the seminar was announced publicly in English and Croatian by Msgr. Srecko Majic, Mostar vicar general.
"This diocesan chancery never received any written request for permission, as is the norm, from either of the parties involved with regard to the spiritual retreat," he said.
"The norms of the Code of Canon Law have not been respected in this case," he added.
Father Cantalamessa could not immediately be reached for comment because he was traveling.
Msgr. Majic explained that the event had been advertised on the Internet for months but the diocese had never been approached for permission to hold it in accordance with norms established by an August 2001 letter from the bishop.
The monsignor said organizers were also billing Father Jozo Zovko, who throughout the 1980s acted as "spiritual adviser" to the six alleged visionaries, as a confessor to priests even though his priestly faculties were revoked by Bishop Peric in 2004.
Msgr. Majic said the diocese had decided to publicize Father Cantalamessa's decision partly to help to clear up confusion over the status of Medjugorje, which, according to an April statement by Bishop Peric, is "neither a diocesan nor national or international shrine."
Msgr. Majic said the diocese sought to dispel "misinterpretations and deceptions which can be seen in the comments on the Web sites that regard Medjugorje as a place of supposed apparitions for which the position of the church remains 'that it cannot be affirmed that these events concern supernatural apparitions and revelations.'"
Bishop Peric vehemently opposes claims that Mary has appeared in the village almost 40,000 times in the last 26 years and last year complained personally to Pope Benedict XVI that priests from overseas were ignoring the wishes of the local bishops not to go on pilgrimages there.
Last year Bishop Peric appealed to the visionaries to stop claiming that Mary has been visiting them for decades.
Preaching in St James's Church, the place where most of the apparitions are said to have taken place, he said the church "has not accepted, either as supernatural or as Marian, any of the apparitions."
"As the local bishop, I maintain that regarding the events of Medjugorje, on the basis of the investigations and experience gained thus far throughout these last 25 years, the church has not confirmed a single apparition as authentically being the Madonna," he said.
In July Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo announced that the Bosnian bishops would form a commission to review the alleged apparitions and the pastoral provisions for the many thousands of pilgrims who visit the town each year.
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Papal preacher won't lecture in Medjugorje after bishop nixes plan
By Catholic News Service
MOSTAR, Bosnia-Herzegovina (CNS) -- The preacher of the papal household has withdrawn from plans to deliver a series of lectures in Medjugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovina, after the local bishop denied him permission to speak there.
Capuchin Father Raniero Cantalamessa, who has been the pope's preacher since 1980, was to be the keynote speaker at the 12th International Seminar for Priests July 3-5 in Medjugorje, the site of thousands of alleged appearances of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
He was expected to have given three lectures at the event, titled "With Mary, in Anticipation of the Holy Spirit," but he pulled out after Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar-Duvno, whose diocese covers Medjugorje, informed him that he did not have his permission to attend the event.
"My principle is not to preach, especially not to the clergy, without the permission of the local bishop," Father Cantalamessa wrote in a letter to Bishop Peric June 13. Excerpts of the letter were released by the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno June 18.
Father Cantalamessa is a well-known figure in the Vatican, and every Friday during Lent and Advent he preaches meditations in the presence of the pope, cardinals, bishops and the superiors of religious orders.
Father Cantalamessa's decision to withdraw from the seminar was announced publicly in English and Croatian by Msgr. Srecko Majic, Mostar vicar general.
"This diocesan chancery never received any written request for permission, as is the norm, from either of the parties involved with regard to the spiritual retreat," he said.
"The norms of the Code of Canon Law have not been respected in this case," he added.
Father Cantalamessa could not immediately be reached for comment because he was traveling.
Msgr. Majic explained that the event had been advertised on the Internet for months but the diocese had never been approached for permission to hold it in accordance with norms established by an August 2001 letter from the bishop.
The monsignor said organizers were also billing Father Jozo Zovko, who throughout the 1980s acted as "spiritual adviser" to the six alleged visionaries, as a confessor to priests even though his priestly faculties were revoked by Bishop Peric in 2004.
Msgr. Majic said the diocese had decided to publicize Father Cantalamessa's decision partly to help to clear up confusion over the status of Medjugorje, which, according to an April statement by Bishop Peric, is "neither a diocesan nor national or international shrine."
Msgr. Majic said the diocese sought to dispel "misinterpretations and deceptions which can be seen in the comments on the Web sites that regard Medjugorje as a place of supposed apparitions for which the position of the church remains 'that it cannot be affirmed that these events concern supernatural apparitions and revelations.'"
Bishop Peric vehemently opposes claims that Mary has appeared in the village almost 40,000 times in the last 26 years and last year complained personally to Pope Benedict XVI that priests from overseas were ignoring the wishes of the local bishops not to go on pilgrimages there.
Last year Bishop Peric appealed to the visionaries to stop claiming that Mary has been visiting them for decades.
Preaching in St James's Church, the place where most of the apparitions are said to have taken place, he said the church "has not accepted, either as supernatural or as Marian, any of the apparitions."
"As the local bishop, I maintain that regarding the events of Medjugorje, on the basis of the investigations and experience gained thus far throughout these last 25 years, the church has not confirmed a single apparition as authentically being the Madonna," he said.
In July Cardinal Vinko Puljic of Sarajevo announced that the Bosnian bishops would form a commission to review the alleged apparitions and the pastoral provisions for the many thousands of pilgrims who visit the town each year.
END
Devotion to the souls in Purgatory contains in itself all the works of mercy, which supernaturalized by a spirit of faith, should merit us Heaven. de Sales
Well well! Yesterday Rick and I were emailing back and forth and we were saying how all the ads for Fr. Cantalamessa on Medjugorje sites would go missing now and they would say, "What seminar, we never said that Cantalamessa blah blah blah." I told Rick that even though they remove it there are those "cached" copies. Well, here ya go.
If you click on the top link it says, "Bandwidth Exceeded" But, there is the cached copy still left . Notice how they make it appear that since Cantalamessa was billed that the Vatican must be in opposition to the Bp. of Mostar.
Denise
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Gabe... here’sa short biog on Fr Cantalamessa put out by the Medjugorje paish office. I didn’t know he had been the Pope’s preacher for 27 years! ...
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If you click on the top link it says, "Bandwidth Exceeded" But, there is the cached copy still left . Notice how they make it appear that since Cantalamessa was billed that the Vatican must be in opposition to the Bp. of Mostar.
Denise
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Gabe... here’sa short biog on Fr Cantalamessa put out by the Medjugorje paish office. I didn’t know he had been the Pope’s preacher for 27 years! ...
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Devotion to the souls in Purgatory contains in itself all the works of mercy, which supernaturalized by a spirit of faith, should merit us Heaven. de Sales
lolDenise wrote:Well well! Yesterday Rick and I were emailing back and forth and we were saying how all the ads for Fr. Cantalamessa on Medjugorje sites would go missing now and they would say, "What seminar, we never said that Cantalamessa blah blah blah." I told Rick that even though they remove it there are those "cached" copies. Well, here ya go.
marie
"He who followeth Me, walketh not in darkness." sayeth the Lord